Public transport versus the car

  • Jozef Goj's Avatar
    Public transport is not the panacea and solution to all travel.
    It requires certain parameters like, closeness to where you live, work, comfort, convenience, time, and many other considerations before making the trip.
    Before cars we walked or if wealthy rode a horse. Increased travel availability has created a mobile society where we live considerable distances away from things that once were within walking distance.
    But having our own vehicle gives us the freedom to choose.
    Unfortunately we developed from a slow moving society to a fast moving one and the roads technology has not been logical nor has it kept up.
    The result is the congestion gridlock and jams seen daily on the road.
    The motor vehicle will remain a part of our lives well into the future albeit they will become green using hydrogen gas piston engines.
    So then we address the real problem the design of intersections used for 141 years since the first traffic light was installed outside the Houses of Parliament...

    Address the root cause of congestion and you resolve the problems.

    It is not the number of vehicles on the roads it is whether they can transit from point A to point B and to do so without stopping.
    How much would you save if every trip around the country, city or town was done with never stopping at a single intersection?
    Do a simple calculation that the entire trip on the major arterial road was done at an average speed of 70 Mph or more.
    Yes the entire trip across any city at 70 and not being held up with congestion, jams and gridlock.

    Then ask!
    How far did you drive today before you hit the red of a traffic light?

    Today we negotiate Traffic lights, Diamond intersections, Roundabouts and many other intersection designs that all succeed in doing one thing and one thing only, particularly in peak times.
    They either stop or slow you and the more there are, the slower traffic speeds become.

    Apply restrictive speed limits and any extra lane becomes quickly jammed with vehicles.

    ‘Liquid Flow Traffic’ intersections resolve the issues. Placed into the major arterial roads they allow all drivers at all times to drive across town and never stop at a single intersection.
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  • Rolebama's Avatar
    That seems a good idea for those passing through, but what about others, residents for example, who are using the side roads at these intersections. It must mean that they suffer, as presumably, they will always get the red light!
    How about if everybody stopped commuting, and worked where they live. (or lived where they work). It is a no sense situation now where I drive up the arterial roads in the morning and see traffic queues on the other carriageways of people coming into London to work, yet the traffic heading out is now getting heavier with people going out of London to work. We wouldn't really need any kind of transport system if people worked and lived in the same area.
  • smudger's Avatar
    Back in the 80s when I was first made redundant I had to start working away from home, and used to drive hundreds of miles, driving back home for the odd weekend.

    Then by luck I ended up working at a place that was only 16 miles from my home, (it was only for a few months) and was shift work.

    Depending on what shift I was on, the journey could take from 25 to 50 minutes:eek:
  • Snowball's Avatar
    Perhaps the only real answer for cutting down congestion would be for the working day to have staggered hours. Any attempt to introduce this would be an impossible logistical nightmare.
    Opposing arguments would be raised from both employer and employee. The interaction of family groups and individuals would be fiecely defended, both in work patterns and social life.
    Enforcing pubic transport in favour of the car is an environmentalist's pipe-dream, and even the most fervent green supporter, if he/she is honest, must see that any such proposals are just that; a pipe-dream.
  • JessTheCat's Avatar
    Today I had to use public transport to get to work.

    District Line - got on first train, packed, got more crushed as more people pushed on, had to fight my way through to get off at my stop.

    Jubilee Line - had to let 2 trains go because they were so full. Squeezed onto train number 3, jammed against the doors with someone's rucksack in my face - still, only a few stops.

    DLR - bliss after the horror of the underground, even got a seat!

    Total journey time 70 minutes, arrived at work hot, sweaty, cross and tired.

    Usual journey by car = 15 minutes, arrive at work relaxed and happy.

    I would like to see us have one day in London where everyone left their car and we ALL tried using Public Transport - I'd like to see TfL's explanation for the massive chaos that would ensue.
  • Snowball's Avatar
    Jess, we should all get ourselves redesignated as being animals (we are part of the animal kingdom, after all). They are not allowed to treat animals in this way.

    Regards, Snowball.
  • Bikerbill's Avatar
    Public Transport

    I had the misfortune to use public transport for 1 week recently, as my car was off the road. Here is a summary:

    1. Going to and from work was relatively OK, though the journey took a lot longer!

    2. Going to a recording session with the band in the evening. Not too bad getting into town, but coming home around 11.30pm was a nightmare. There was urine, vomit and a soiled nappy on the floor.

    There was also a group of 4 neds/chavs making a nuisance of themselves much to the annoyance of myself and other passengers. Later on in the journey, a young lad came on the bus, only to be harrased by this group of louts. This young lad was concerned for his own safety.

    Conclusion: Never again. I am cheaper, quicker and safer using my car than using public transport!
  • mills705's Avatar
    I am in favour of using public transport where applicable.
    For instance I live too far away from uni to walk to it everyday, however driving would be a nightmare as the road I wouls use is gridlock in the mornings, next is parking and the charges incurred just for a few hours. I therefore get the bus/metro(metros being local trains). I pay 180pounds for unlimited travel per semester. This is quite useful as when you think I would pay about 4 pounds a day if I didnt have this, it would be 20quid a week! Its only marginally cheaper btw. But also allows me to go to work etc etc if needed by bus.
    I just about always drive to work however, as I start in the evenings and finish late at night, 10/11pm. This is also in the city centre however the traffic is far less as the majority of people are heading away from the city. The only change is a Thursday when its late night shopping so parking can be a bit of a pain but its not really a problem.
    I can imagine that if you live in London getting around via public transport would be quite quick, however I have only ever been sight seeing and not had to make a commute so I wouldnt know!
  • smudger's Avatar
    I had to use public transport for a week as well, while changing over cars, (road tax delay) Anyway, it was a nightmare, and I only had 12 miles to travel to work?
    Apat from having to get up an hour earlier, I had about a mile and a half walk when coming home.
    Of course with it being November, I got soaked and frozen couple of times:rolleyes:

    Boy! was I chuffed to get into a car again:)
  • deanwinterberg's Avatar
    I think both options have their place. Public transport can work well in busy city centres, but for shorter or flexible journeys a car or taxi is often much more convenient. For example, many people locally prefer taxis for quick trips, airport transfers, or when public transport schedules don’t line up. It really comes down to comfort, time, and practicality for each journey.
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  • Rolebama's Avatar
    One aspect of using my car is that nobody wipes their dirty shoes on the seats. Another is that I don't have people screaming at their mobiles. There are others, cost being the most noticeable, but if you like the environment of public transport, that's OK.