Alcolocks get the support of drivers to tackle drink-drive re-offending

  • Nick's Avatar
    Community Manager


    53% of drivers recently surveyed for an RAC study supported the introduction of so-called AlcoLocks, or Alcohol-Interlocks, to be fitted to the vehicles of anyone convicted of drink-driving, to prevent them from re-offending.

    Read more about the study at this link, but we'd love to know your thoughts in the comments? Will AlcoLocks help to reduce the number of reoffenders, and subsequently the number killed or injured in drink-driving collisions?
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    Nick


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  • Drivingforfun's Avatar
    I'm fundamentally against the increasingly soft approach taken to crime but the utility aspect shouldn't be ignored.. i.e. sometimes harshness and crime rate are negatively correlated

    e.g. I'm against organisations that help alcoholics being mandated to inform the DVLA on their patients, because this discourages patients from getting help. I know two people who, after the initial session where they were told DVLA would be notified if they commenced treatment, didn't go back. Both went back to drink driving, and one had a serious incident which fortunately only involved themselves.

    I'm not saying they have the right to withhold this info, they don't... but it's a perverse rule because it creates more drink driving. Leaving it in the patient's hands to inform, then when they inevitably don't, at least they'll be working on their alcoholism. I'd rather have a "failure to disclose" on the streets rather than a drink driver.

    Not going off topic - my point is maybe installation of this could be included as part of treatment? It doesn't have to be "too soft" if it's as an additional condition, not a substitute for punishment

    Only one instance I know but the person I mentioned above wouldn't have been in a fit state to subvert this device and would've just passed out at the wheel wondering why the car didn't start, way better than passing out while doing 80mph!
    Last edited by Drivingforfun; 21-05-25 at 08:02.
  • Nick's Avatar
    Community Manager
    Great, thoughtful reply @Drivingforfun - I'd not heard of this mandate before - I'm assuming you're talking about people that attend AA meetings and the staff there informing DVLA that the person is an alcoholic seeking treatment?

    I think you're suggestion on these devices being part of that treatment is a better way of dealing with this and probably more likely to keep people in treatment as well, which is obviously a hugely important thing to do.

    Thanks for posting.
  • Rolebama's Avatar
    Some years ago I had a friend who worked for a coach company. After w while they put him on continental drives, with a new coach. The new coach had a breathalyzer-type system whereby he had to blow into the pipe to start the engine. He wasn't exactly an alcoholic, but he did like his drink. If he was on a run, and the coach wouldn't start, he would, under the guise of showing his passengers how safe the coach was, get one of them who had a drink to blow. Obviously ther coach wouldn't start, so he would then get another passenger to blow, and off they would go. He got away with this for a number of years until a passenger complained to the coach company about the delay it caused, meaning they missed a particular ferry, and the passenger missed a meeting of particular import to them.
    Quite simply, what's to stop a driver getting a friend or relative to blow on their behalf? I know of habitual drink drivers who take friends to the pub, and drive them home after, and most of the wives don't drink, so I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to work out the true use of such things.
  • olduser's Avatar
    I agree with Drivingforfun with regards to AA having to report members to the police, they are taking steps to cure themselves of the addiction.

    Fitting a device in a car is different, first it would have to be consistently accurate, at what level would it prevent the car starting, and what about the few whose digestive system produces alcohol with certain foods?

    As understand it, the current legal level was set because that was what a breathalysers of the day could reliably and consistently measure.
    What I read on alcohols effect on the brain, it is progressive, each has their own level of tolerance, with some able to function at higher levels than others but the brain function is impaired at levels way below what we can currently measure in samples of breath.

    The effect is to reduce inhibitions' which in turn affects our judgment, and ability to reason.

    So if we really wanted to stop drunk drivers we would reduce the alcohol levels in drinks to a very low level but then the argument is it would prevent people socialising, which always makes me think, 'you like your friends so much you cannot be with them unless you are half drunk!'😐
  • NMNeil's Avatar
    I'm 100% against any interlock device to deter drunk driving.
    If I were to take my AK-47 to the lawn in front of city hall and fire a single round into the lawn I would be surrounded by the police, handcuffed, formally charged and put in jail. My AK-47 would be confiscated and destroyed, and I would never be legally allowed to own a firearm again, after all I have shown I can't be trusted with a deadly weapon.
    If I were to get blind drunk and drive my truck across the lawn at city hall I would be surrounded by police, handcuffed, formally charged and put in jail. Despite showing I can't be trusted with a deadly weapon they would give me my truck back. No matter how many times I was caught driving drunk they would still allow me to own a car or truck after I got out of jail, or paid the fine.
    Makes no sense to treat one deadly weapon differently from another; crush them both.
    https://northpennnow.com/news/2023/d...an-police-say/
    Rant over from someone who regularly saw dead bodies being removed from vehicles, who were victims of drunk drivers.
  • Rolebama's Avatar
    I have always been told that we are all different, and that we all have different tolerances to everything we eat or drink, including alcohol. So, to me, the breathalyzer is yet another piece of useless technology. Back in the day if a Police Officer said your words were slurred, you had difficulty maintaining balance and you eyes were glazed, you were guilty. It made no difference how much you had drunk. I do not claim to be knowledgeable about this, but it seems to me that if I drink two pints, and a lady of 5' 3" weighing 8stone drinks two pints, I would show a much lower alcohol content as it would be more diluted. Yet that was the advice of the day.
  • Nick's Avatar
    Community Manager
    It can definitely be confusing @Rolebama - this was an interesting experiment I read about a while ago now, shows the different ways people were affected in varied group of people in a controlled "experiment" around alcohol levels.

    It should probably also be noted that the impairment from alcohol begins well before the legal limit, and the limit shouldn't be interpreted as a "safe to drive" suggestion - it's the limit for everyone that it becomes a criminal offence. I seem to think from a gender perspective, women actually process alcohol slower than men, whilst men's bodies have a higher water content, so are able to dilute it better - all marginal of course, and the only real safe, and legal way, is to not have any alcohol at all if you're going to be driving. there's lots of really great non-alcoholic options out there these days.
  • Beelzebub's Avatar
    I have always been told that we are all different, and that we all have different tolerances to everything we eat or drink, including alcohol. So, to me, the breathalyzer is yet another piece of useless technology. Back in the day if a Police Officer said your words were slurred, you had difficulty maintaining balance and you eyes were glazed, you were guilty. It made no difference how much you had drunk. I do not claim to be knowledgeable about this, but it seems to me that if I drink two pints, and a lady of 5' 3" weighing 8stone drinks two pints, I would show a much lower alcohol content as it would be more diluted. Yet that was the advice of the day.
    Yes, two pints (or any given amount of alcohol) will have more effect on an 8-stone woman than on a 16-stone man*. But the blood-alcohol reading will reflect that (hers will be higher than his) and give an impartial indication of their relative fitness to drive.

    Are you suggesting we abandon these objective measures, and go back to the old days of relying on a police officer's judgement?

    * = all other things being equal, which they seldom are.
  • olduser's Avatar
    I have always been told that we are all different, and that we all have different tolerances to everything we eat or drink, including alcohol. So, to me, the breathalyzer is yet another piece of useless technology. Back in the day if a Police Officer said your words were slurred, you had difficulty maintaining balance and you eyes were glazed, you were guilty. It made no difference how much you had drunk. I do not claim to be knowledgeable about this, but it seems to me that if I drink two pints, and a lady of 5' 3" weighing 8stone drinks two pints, I would show a much lower alcohol content as it would be more diluted. Yet that was the advice of the day.

    The fail level on a Breathalyser is so high at that level everyone that fails will be well beyond safe driving levels.
    I remember reading some research done by or for the military, on impairment due to different levels of alcohol, and the outcome was, when there was a measurable levels of alcohol in the blood the subject was showing signs of impairment but that would have been in the 50's to 60's, I would expect we can measure much lower levels now.

    I remember showing that to a friend who was a drink driver, though not yet caught or crashed (he did crash in the end) his response was, "well they would say that wouldn't they"

    When he did crash, and mentioned he had had a few, there was a lot of sympathy, the the idea was something along the lines of, 'cars are tricky things with a few drinks in but then bike's were worse'. How times have changed!
    Last edited by olduser; 23-05-25 at 21:51.
  • Rolebama's Avatar
    @Beelzebub I am not deliberately saying that, but I would make the argument that if the standards of a Police Officer were reset, it wouldn't be a bad thing.

    I still remember that quite a few drunk drivers would say that being aware that they had been drinking, they would drive more cautiously. Not because they were concerned about road safety, but so as not to attract the attention of the Police.

    I have been stopped by the Police on a number of occasions over the years, either late at night or in the early hours of the morning, because I was driving 'sensibly', and so suspected of having had a drink.
  • olduser's Avatar
    @Beelzebub I am not deliberately saying that, but I would make the argument that if the standards of a Police Officer were reset, it wouldn't be a bad thing.

    I still remember that quite a few drunk drivers would say that being aware that they had been drinking, they would drive more cautiously. Not because they were concerned about road safety, but so as not to attract the attention of the Police.

    I have been stopped by the Police on a number of occasions over the years, either late at night or in the early hours of the morning, because I was driving 'sensibly', and so suspected of having had a drink.

    I used to get that Rolebalma, being on call caused me to be on the road anytime of day or night.
    Early on in my years on call, at one stop the officer did remark he had stopped me because I was driving quickly but carefully, and I had not seen him, he had thought I was a drunk-driver.

    In later years, I am sure they recognised the car and stopped me because they were determined to get me for something, there would be the usual stuff, and a look around the car. (I would offer them my tyre tread depth gauge)

    The journey from home would be just about 5 miles, I often felt like saying, let's go to my journeys end then you can do your stuff while I do my job or get some food/sleep!
    But then, red rags and bulls came to mind. 😏
  • NMNeil's Avatar
    A question I've often asked, but never got an answer.
    If drunk driving is such a problem why is it a legal requirement that bars/pubs have car parking?
  • Beelzebub's Avatar
    A question I've often asked, but never got an answer.
    If drunk driving is such a problem why is it a legal requirement that bars/pubs have car parking?
    It's not, in the UK at least.
  • Nick's Avatar
    Community Manager
    A new, updated version of this report has just been released by the RAC with indications showing that support for the use of these so-called "alcolocks" is growing, with 82% of drivers surveyed in support and just 7% against their introduction.

    Source: RAC - Four out of five drivers support alcohol interlocks to cut drink-driving

    I know we had quite a mixed bag of thoughts after the first article was published, it would be great to hear if everyone is still of the same opinions, or if anyone is shifting at all?
  • olduser's Avatar
    I always wonder about these type of survey. I suspect the responders are thinking in this case, well if it keeps them off the road I am all for it, or which answer looks best, in favour, or not.
    Perhaps the question ought to be - On a cold wet stormy late night, your car would not start because you failed the test, would be pleased or angry?
    Last edited by olduser; 10-12-25 at 14:58.