Car Park Scramble

  • olduser's Avatar
    Found this on the BBC website;

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2p57zdzw9o

    I think the option to pay in cash or card should always be available.

    Any thoughts anyone?
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  • Drivingforfun's Avatar
    I do think sometimes customers take the mick, as they are basically on someone else's land, IMO the owner is within their right to specify you can only pay in Monopoly money if that's what they want to do

    However I do think it's a bit misleading, because it seems clear they're enticing people onto their land with the purpose of confusing them and fining them ... I'd say the terms shouldn't be in place with hope that customers will break them, the fine should be a deterrent not something you intentionally lead customers into having to pay
  • Drivingforfun's Avatar
    Should have added ... above is just my (valueless) opinion, it's not intended to be an interpretation of any laws!
  • NMNeil's Avatar
    Makes me grateful.
    Here in Roswell there are no parking meters, pay to park lots; in fact it never costs anything to park anywhere it's legal.
  • Rolebama's Avatar
    I was led to believe our currency is legal tender on this island. Any pay-for-use car park where I can't pay cash is a no-go area for me. I do my shopping elsewhere. Most of those I am aware of, have Ts & Cs beyond the ridiculous.
    What these clowns don't seen to realize is that if someone does overstay their welcome, they are only losing a few quid, not hundreds. Pure greed.
  • Beelzebub's Avatar
    I was led to believe our currency is legal tender on this island. Any pay-for-use car park where I can't pay cash is a no-go area for me. I do my shopping elsewhere. Most of those I am aware of, have Ts & Cs beyond the ridiculous.
    What these clowns don't seen to realize is that if someone does overstay their welcome, they are only losing a few quid, not hundreds. Pure greed.

    Legal tender (in England and Wales) only means that Bank of England notes and £1 and £2 coins (and other coins within specified limits*) MUST be accepted in settlement of a debt. If you want to pay with cash for a purchase etc. no debt yet exists, and so LT does not apply.

    As for "this island", there is no concept of legal tender in Scotland, and we seem to manage ok without it.

    * = the limits on coins means that the idiots who occasionally turn up to pay taxes etc. with barrowloads of pennies can quite legally be turned away, unless the debt is 20p or less.

    The reason I know all this rubbish is that I once worked in a Scottish bank, and the question of whether our bank notes were legal tender in England came up regularly. The answer is that they are not. But as a taxi driver in Newcastle once said to me, "I wish I had a sackfull.".
  • Rolebama's Avatar
    @Beelzebub Thank you for that clarification, I stand corrected. Purely FWIW, since I left the Army, all my work has involved some instance of taking cash from members of the public. Everywhere I worked, it was policy to accept Scottish banknotes to the same value of BoE values. When I have visited Scotland, I have never had a problem with spending BoE banknotes and receiving Scottish banknotes in return. Hence my mistake.
    If I were to use a pay-for-use car park, the minute I park, I incur a debt, surely?
  • Beelzebub's Avatar
    @Beelzebub Thank you for that clarification, I stand corrected. Purely FWIW, since I left the Army, all my work has involved some instance of taking cash from members of the public. Everywhere I worked, it was policy to accept Scottish banknotes to the same value of BoE values. When I have visited Scotland, I have never had a problem with spending BoE banknotes and receiving Scottish banknotes in return. Hence my mistake.
    If I were to use a pay-for-use car park, the minute I park, I incur a debt, surely?
    Dunno. A lot might depend on the Ts and Cs. Probably one for the courts.
  • olduser's Avatar
    Car parks are collecting money and giving nothing back in return.
    They are not responsible for vehicles in the carpark, if they cannot be bothered to empty coin machines or have secure card payment methods on the grounds of cost they are being totally unreasonable.
    A car park in a town or city is virtually a licence to print money, what more do they want?
  • NMNeil's Avatar
    Car parks are collecting money and giving nothing back in return.
    They are not responsible for vehicles in the carpark, if they cannot be bothered to empty coin machines or have secure card payment methods on the grounds of cost they are being totally unreasonable.
    A car park in a town or city is virtually a licence to print money, what more do they want?
    You enter into a contract. The car park will allow you to trespass onto their property so you can park your car, and the contract says that you pay them.
    The contract will also give exclusions such as not being responsible for any damage to your car. And if you look at it logically there's nothing to stop anyone saying "My car was damaged while in your care", which would mean the car park company would have to inspect every car using their car park for damage before it was allowed to be parked.

    They get money and you don't take the risk of getting a parking ticket or having your car towed. If you don't want to enter into this contract; then don't.
  • olduser's Avatar
    But if I have to drive in and stop to find, and read the signs that tell me I need an app on my phone to pay to use their car park.
    If I don't have app or a mobile phone even, when I drive out they use the car reg. plate to send me a fine for not paying to park, that is taking money unfairly.

    If that is the only method of payment, they need a barrier to prevent entry if you don't have the app.

    As to like it or lump it, well fine but in many UK towns most, if not all, streets are no parking, like my Irish friend would say, "double yellow lines dats no parking at all at all."
  • Rolebama's Avatar
    I stopped driving to Uxbridge in the 90s because of parking fees. We used to go once a week to do our shopping, now we rarely go there and when we do we go on the Tube. We no longer shop there as such, only go if there is something specific we want. I did notice the graffiti in the car park areas as to how much more expensive it was in comparison to Slough, Harrow and Watford. We now tend to do a bulk shop, roughly monthly, in the areas around where our daughters live. (The beauty of an estate with fold-down rear seats.) We also notice how much less stuff costs there.
  • olduser's Avatar
    I agree with your sentiment.

    I think it all stems from this strange idea, we should keep traffic flowing.
    So, parked cars in the high street slow traffic, lets make it No Parking.
    But now Rolebama (and others) find there are things that he got from the shops difficult to carry around as they shop so they look elsewhere, and now the complaint is the traffic is moving but no one stops at the shops.
    The shops overheads are fixed, and with fewer sales each ticket price has to carry a higher % of the overheads, even more reason to shop elsewhere.

    But we used to buy fresh food = frequent shopping, now because we have to travel further to get it, we buy food in large batches, and pay more in packaging to keep the now stale food looking fresh.

    And, because driving down the high street got easier, more drivers use that route, so now we are back with congestion!

    What the powers that be don't understand or al least appear not to understand, is congestion is inevitable, in the long run.

    If the number of new road users is uncontrolled, any number of new roads, extra lanes, etc. will always fill to congestion.
    Congestion is not all bad, I think congestion reduces the opportunity to break the rules, it certainly reduces the need to be able to drive, and the need to make choices, I have not found any stats cut and sliced to prove or disprove the point.

    We set off with motorised vehicles as a means of transportation, they were a tool, we could use it or not but now the tool is using us, we almost have no choice.