Latest Jaguar ad

  • Drivingforfun's Avatar
    Funny but...I wonder if it's actually brilliant, seeing as everyone will be talking about it??
  • TC1474's Avatar
    I have run a Jaguar for the past 20 years and I am close to the point where I am considering a change.

    Normally I would have gone straight back to Jaguar (I was considering a late used as they are no longer producing new internal combustion engined vehicles), but with this re-launch/re-brand I really am questioning whether I can remain loyal t the brand I have enjoyed for so long, especially as the head of rebrand is openly supporting BLM and these other OTT organisations and wants Jaguar to also become a diversity supremo.

    Given that most other manufacturers have done an about turn on the production of EV's, it also makes me wonder if Jaguar have also potentially signed their own death warrant, but on the plus side, I have had a couple of people tell me that it could inflate the value of my car being a later model under the original Jaguar brand.

    Trouble is what to go for next?
  • Drivingforfun's Avatar
    I don't know if it would suit you if you're looking for a certain brand image, but as far as the product goes I've heard good things about Skoda saloons

    If you're keen on Jag saloon I'd give them a look, they seem to be decent honest cars but still for people who care about driving, with half decent engines and stuff
  • TC1474's Avatar

    If you're keen on Jag saloon I'd give them a look, they seem to be decent honest cars but still for people who care about driving, with half decent engines and stuff

    My opening sentence was "I have run a Jag" and I am still running a Jag and my relationship with Jaguar goes back to the 70's when my first Traffic car was an series 1 XJ6 and I have along with big Fords owned them throughout my driving career.

    I am going SUV with my next car as I am finding it more and more difficult to get into lower platform saloon cars these days, and the Jag E-pace was going to be my preferred choice, but now I think I will be changing brands.

    Not a fan of Skoda (couple of colleagues have them, mixed stories) but I will be having a good look around at the alternatives.
  • Drivingforfun's Avatar
    What I meant is if you like Jags I'd give the Skodas a look

    I read on another forum called Pistonheads and lots of people there go on about Skodas for lots of the same reasons people like Jags, the exceptions being the brand image and the plushness
  • TC1474's Avatar
    What I meant is if you like Jags I'd give the Skodas a look

    Apologies, I misunderstood/misread your comment.

    Like I said earlier, couple of colleagues have one, not overly impressed. I am possibly going to look at a Hyundai or Kia SUV. They are well appointed and people seem to be generally impressed they seem well built and super reliable and you get a lot of motor for your money.
  • Beelzebub's Avatar
    Apologies, I misunderstood/misread your comment.

    Like I said earlier, couple of colleagues have one, not overly impressed. I am possibly going to look at a Hyundai or Kia SUV. They are well appointed and people seem to be generally impressed they seem well built and super reliable and you get a lot of motor for your money.
    I'd certainly recommend a Kia Sportage.
  • Beelzebub's Avatar
    The Jaguar ad is certainly stupid. However, if you were to boycott every maker who ever produced a stupid and/or annoying ad, your choice of cars would be severely limited.
  • TC1474's Avatar
    The Jaguar ad is certainly stupid. However, if you were to boycott every maker who ever produced a stupid and/or annoying ad, your choice of cars would be severely limited.

    It goes beyond the ad as I stated in my original post.

    I agree, 99% of ads are stupid, but it is the background to the rebranding that is the real issue, and I have spoken to fellow Jag owners/enthusiasts and the majority are of the same view.
  • Rolebama's Avatar
    I worked in a Jag dealers for a while and we stocked jackets, flat caps etc, all with the Jag logo. Maybe they are going more into avant-garde clothing. After all, my local Post Office sells potted plants and men's neckties. 😁
  • NMNeil's Avatar
    The Jaguar ad is certainly stupid. However, if you were to boycott every maker who ever produced a stupid and/or annoying ad, your choice of cars would be severely limited.
    When Budweiser went WOKE with their advertising, it cost them dearly. Seems that Jaguar somehow believe they will be different.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroe...er-influencer/
  • NMNeil's Avatar
    The Jaguar ad is certainly stupid. However, if you were to boycott every maker who ever produced a stupid and/or annoying ad, your choice of cars would be severely limited.
    When Budweiser went WOKE with their advertising, it cost them dearly. Seems that Jaguar somehow believe they will be different.
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/maryroeloffs/2023/08/03/bud-light-sales-down-10-after-right-wing-boycott-over-campaign-with-transgender-influencer/

  • Rolebama's Avatar
    As to the Skoda recommendation, I went to a Skoda dealership to ask workshop staff about the Superb. They said there were no 'known' issues, and so far, they haven't had any problems with them*. The reason I didn't buy one was because they had a couple of owners complaining about mpg.
    *This only applies to later ones. Earlier ones had electrical problems due to a multi-plug under the passenger side carpet getting water in.
  • NMNeil's Avatar
    Well the ad has got worldwide recognition, but not in a good way.
    (Worth watching to the end for the new Bud Lite ad)

    But on the bright side it's brought out a lot of creativity.
  • Mark07's Avatar
    Community Manager
    Funny but...I wonder if it's actually brilliant, seeing as everyone will be talking about it??

    This was my first thought. Irrespective of them getting the advert right/wrong, the awareness of the rebrand has been massive.

    My personally opinion is that I wouldn't be likely to consider a Jag. They have some desirable cars, but they're a heritage brand which I (perhaps wrongly) assume are out of my price bracket and that my dad's generation would drive. There ad's probably don't need to make me want a Jag, they need to make me consider one.

    Over the next 5 years (ish), millennials will start becoming grandparents and I can only assume brands such as Jaguar are searching for ways of appealing to an audience who may otherwise overlook them.
  • TC1474's Avatar

    My personally opinion is that I wouldn't be likely to consider a Jag. They have some desirable cars, but they're a heritage brand which I (perhaps wrongly) assume are out of my price bracket and that my dad's generation would drive. There ad's probably don't need to make me want a Jag, they need to make me consider one.

    I brought my current Jag new. Believe it or not, it was cheaper than buying an equivalent Ford such as a Mondeo or Vauxhall Insignia and considerably cheaper than buying one of the German brands which would have cost even more just to get a reasonable spec level.

    I paid £16K brand new for my car which was £6K cheaper than the current shape Mondeo (that was my previous company car which I hated with a passion). It should have been £21K but because I agreed to take it on an 09 plate rather than wait another 3 weeks for the 59 plate, I got a £5K discount, but even at full price it was still cheaper than the Ford.

    Have I regretted it? Have I hell. Although it is now coming up 15 years old (hence why I am now considering a change) it has cost me sod all other than normal running costs, it has been super reliable (only failure was a front wheel bearing at 2 years whilst still under warranty) and it is still enjoyable to drive.

    I know it is only an X-Type, but it has all the toys I want or need, and when people ask what car I have and I say a Jag, I get non of the "What model" secondary questions that I used to get when I had Fords or Vauxhalls or whatever.

    I also have to say that my Jag dealer was a lot less snobby than the Vauxhall dealership or a few others, and I only have praise for them. In for service and it was a case of what car would I like to spend the day in? When the new XJ was introduced I had an invite to try them out 3 months before anyone else even though it was way out of my price range and the same applied to the XE and I have to say I was tempted.

    I was just turned 50 when I brough my car, and to a certain degree you are right in that many people do perceive them as being more of an older mans car, (even a couple of insurers reckoned I was too young to drive a Jag at the time) but believe it or not, my brand new Jag was cheaper to insure than my wife's 4 year old C-Max 2.0 TDi Ghia.

    But ultimately, (going back to the thread about sports cars) I have ultimate comfort, build quality, decent performance, reliability for a lot less money than any sport car.

    I was considering the E-Pace as the X-Types replacement. I may still go that route, but Jaguar with its rebrand has really put me off, especially given that they have stopped production of all Internal combustion engined cars and putting all their eggs in EV's which will not go on sale until 2026. Will they really be interested in looking after the previous generation of vehicles given their current attitude? I don't know.
  • Mark07's Avatar
    Community Manager
    I brought my current Jag new. Believe it or not, it was cheaper than buying an equivalent Ford such as a Mondeo or Vauxhall Insignia and considerably cheaper than buying one of the German brands which would have cost even more just to get a reasonable spec level.

    That's fantastic, and also confirms my point. I would consider a Ford, German brand etc but would rule out the Jag based on my incorrect assumptions.

    Irrespective of this new ad, Jaguar (and other heritage brands) are going to have to try something new to appeal to new audiences.
  • Mark07's Avatar
    Community Manager
    @TC1474 Here's a peek of the 2026 Jag.
    https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...er-gt-revealed
    But when I first saw the photo I thought it was a Chrysler 300.
    https://landmarkatlanta.com/2023-chrysler-300c

    I always thought that the front of the Chrysler 300 was trying to take design inspiration from a Bentley Continental.

    To be honest, the Chrysler model that popped into my mind looking at the sideview of the new jag was the Crossfire. I'm not sure that's the comparison they're hoping for though. 😁
  • TC1474's Avatar
    @TC1474 Here's a peek of the 2026 Jag.
    https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/n...er-gt-revealed
    But when I first saw the photo I thought it was a Chrysler 300.
    https://landmarkatlanta.com/2023-chrysler-300c

    That picture has been doing the rounds quite a bit recently.
  • Rolebama's Avatar
    Some years ago I worked as a Plant Fitter. Occasionally I would go out with the boss to assess sites. One day we were out in the sticks and at a set of traffic lights when the radiator on his Rover decided to burst. We pushed it round the corner and there was a secondhand dealer there. We went in and met the most snobbish and arrogant salesman ever. I noticed a Mercedes dealer further down the road. We walked down and explained our circumstance to the salesman. He gave a good deal on the Rover and let my boss use their computer to organize transfer of money to pay for the car, and tax it. The workshop sorted out the car and off we went. My boss couldn't resist calling in on the snob on the way out to point out that he had just bought a brand new Merc from the nice man down the road.

    This was bought to mind by TC1474's comment about snobbish salesmen.
  • TC1474's Avatar
    @Rolebama
    I can relate to that.

    Before I brought the Jag, I went into various dealerships, and in particular my local Vauxhall dealer as I was considering the Insignia.

    I was in a polo shirt and jeans and this rather huffy salesman asked if he could help. I explained that I was looking at a new car and was considering the Insignia. "New or second-hand?" he asked. New I replied (it was new to the market so no used examples were available.) Anyway he looked me up and down as said sarcastically "There is one over there" and pointed me in the direction of a show model on a plinth outside. You could see the disdain on his face.

    Suffice to say, I brought the Jag instead who (and this is on the same day) within 5 minutes of me walking into the showroom had a demonstrator available and invited me to take it away for a few hours and see what I thought. No judgment based on clothing or anything else, just very professional and friendly throughout. They got my business as you know.

    A month or so later, my daughter's then boyfriend was looking for a new (to him) car and asked if I could help him find one as he was particularly looking at a Vauxhall. Guess where we ended up? Guess who got the same salesman as I had met earlier? Yep, you got it.

    Again the disdain was there for all to see. So after he had patronised my daughter's boyfriend for a few minutes I perked up and said "I forgot, you are a salesman who judges a book by its cover aren't you?" He looked at me puzzled and asked me what I meant.

    So I explained my previous visit and his attitude, but then thanked him for doing me a favour as I pointed out my shiny new Jag parked outside which I brought on the back of my visit to him. His face was a picture, especially as I said to the Boyfriend, OK, lets go, he is not interested in selling cars to the likes of us. That was very satisfying.

    But I can go one better.

    A very good friend of mine is a captain of the corporate jet used by ne of the major F1 race teams and he makes very serious money. He is also a biker like me and was looking at buying a new car (he changed his cars and bikes like the rest of us change our underpants.

    Anyway, we were out on the bikes when we called into a high end salesroom (I think it was something like a Porsche dealership) as he was looking at one of the top end models.

    The attitude of the salesman made me laugh as he looked at us in leathers. His first comment to my buddy was "I don't think someone like you can afford one of our cars". John just looked at him and "Said thank you for that advice" and we walked out.

    Next door was a Bentley dealer. We walked in and within 30 minutes he had brought and paid for a brand new top of the range Bentley, and he paid for it on his credit card 🙂

    As we were about to depart, John popped his head through the door of the Porsche dealer and said "Thanks for the favour you did me, I think I will me much happier in the Bentley I have just brought"

    I wish I had a camera with me at the time to capture the look on the salesman's face.

    Snobbery in our dealership's is without doubt an issue for many, but the one I might have expected it in (Jaguar) just never materialised.
  • TC1474's Avatar
    Back to the original point, it does seem that Jaguar are cutting their throats to spite their face/

    Dealerships are being reduced from 80 to around 20 on top of putting all their eggs in the EV basket.

    Could get interesting as I can only see sales and market share crashing through the floor which is going to affect their profitability big time (assuming they survive) .

    Jaguar to cut UK dealer network by around 75% as part of EV rebrand
  • NMNeil's Avatar
    I always thought that the front of the Chrysler 300 was trying to take design inspiration from a Bentley Continental.

    To be honest, the Chrysler model that popped into my mind looking at the sideview of the new jag was the Crossfire. I'm not sure that's the comparison they're hoping for though. 😁
    True, it can be compared to many other cars which sort of goes against their fluffy WOKE ad of "Breaking the mold"
  • NMNeil's Avatar
    Back to the original point, it does seem that Jaguar are cutting their throats to spite their face/

    Dealerships are being reduced from 80 to around 20 on top of putting all their eggs in the EV basket.
    I don't know that EV's are the cause, a scapegoat perhaps, but here in the US there are about 3 million new cars sitting on the dealership lots, and nobody is buying because they are just too expensive.
    https://www.edmunds.com/new-jeep-wra...ale-clovis-nm/
    ($50,000 is about 40,000 quid)