The UK introduced the breathalyser 57 years ago!

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    57 years ago today on 8th October 1967, the first breathalyser was used in the UK by Shropshire police.

    This was a major step forward compared to walking in a straight line or reciting the alphabet backwards - or whatever the test was.

    Drink driving is still a problem that exists on British roads, but thanks to Robert F Borkenstein (the inventor of the breathalyser) authorities have a tool to identify offenders.

    To combat drink driving, the idea of fixing a breathalyser to cars which require a sample before the engine will start. Is this a good idea?

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    Mark.
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  • Rolebama's Avatar
    A friend of mine was a coach driver, doing European tours, in the 70s. All the coaches the company owned had breathalyzers as part of the starting procedure.
  • TC1474's Avatar
    It used to be my most common arrest (My record was 8 drink drivers in one night), and once the road side intoxicator was introduced to replace the old tube and bag, it became such an easy prosecution.

    The problem was (and maybe still is to a certain degree) is that for too long and certainly with the older generation, drink driving has been regarded as a socially acceptable offence despite the misery is causes when a fatal or catastrophic crash occurs as a result.

    Numbers showed a steady decline for quite a while, but once chief officers started to disregard roads policing as being front line policing (despite that in most cases it is a traffic cop that dies in the line of duty) and therefore numbers and training being reduced, joe public feels that the risk of being caught has diminished substantially and therefore think they can take a calculated risk, but thats another story altogether.

    From an coppers perspective, doing a drink driver now is so easy (regardless of what the current generation will have you believe about paperwork).

    When I started, and some of you may remember, we used to have the roadside kits where you blew into a tube and inflated a bag, and if the crystals changed to green (over the yellow line) that was a positive test and you were nicked (it was so difficult trying to check the tube in the beam of a headlight)

    Anyway, once nicked, it was back to the Police station, a Doctor would have to be called to take blood which was then sent to the forensic science lab for analysis and several weeks late the results would come back followed up by either a prosecution or no further action.

    A full file of evidence then had to be prepared and submitted, so it could be anything between 6 and 9 months before the case got to court and the offender has continued to drive in the meantime.

    With the introduction of the electronic test it was like manner from heaven. Road side device is easy to use and see, nick the driver, put them on the machine, charge them and they could be in court the following morning with all the paperwork being proforma documents, so easy.

    I personally would like every driver convicted of drink driving or dangerous driving to be required to attend the mortuary so that they can see the result (or potential consequences) of their behaviour.

    Someone worked it out once that I have been to the mortuary about 300 times during my career just dealing with drink drive victims and this is before you include the victims of dangerous driving or anything else of which there have also been a few.

    Trouble is you cannot have a zero level because so many everyday products have a trace of alcohol in them which does show up on the machine, so we need to go on the education path again along with the drug driving which seems to be the favoured route for the youngsters as thy seem to consider this acceptable as opposed to drink driving.

    I should have added that a couple of manufacturers did trial breath test devices built in to the ignition system during the 80's and it caused more problems the-an it resolved and on a mass commercial basis had it been adopted, it would have been a nightmare.
  • NMNeil's Avatar
    DUI (Driving Under the Influence) is a real problem here, and some attorneys rely on it to make their living.
    https://www.granolaw.com/blog/stages-new-mexico-dui-dwi-case/
    https://www.justia.com/lawyers/dui-dwi/new-mexico
    And they wonder why we still have a drunk driver problem.
  • olduser's Avatar
    Years back I worked in Southern Ireland, one morning the engineer turned up looking well hungover.
    I gently I said, "morning, good night?"
    He agreed, adding he had been caught speeding as well, it would be a visit to court in a day or two.
    So I said, "That's bad drunk, and speeding".
    He said, "no problem, I'll just say I had drink taken", he did and was given a warning about speeding!
    Apparently, having drink taken was a good escape route for many things.

    Here in the UK, I suppose we all remember, 'one for the road', how times have changed.
  • Drivingforfun's Avatar
    I’ve said before but I think an element of leeway would be beneficial when it comes to people who get help for alcoholism being allowed to carry on driving

    As it stands, if an alcoholic gets help, the counsellor has to inform the DVLA

    This causes alcoholics to stop getting help in the first place, and continue driving while drunk - I’ve witnessed this

    If getting help for alcoholism didn’t have to involve handing in your license until you were cured, more alcoholics would get help and in the long term the stats related to drunk drivers would be lower

    I’m not usually one of those liberal types who is into civil liberty of criminals and education rather than punishment but I think on this occasion there is a benefit, and not from a civil liberty perspective of the offender who honestly I don’t care about but the end result would be better for the people who actually matter - i.e. those affected, or hopefully not as the case may be, by drink drivers
    Last edited by Drivingforfun; 10-10-24 at 01:40.
  • Drivingforfun's Avatar
    DUI (Driving Under the Influence) is a real problem here, and some attorneys rely on it to make their living.
    https://www.granolaw.com/blog/stages-new-mexico-dui-dwi-case/
    https://www.justia.com/lawyers/dui-dwi/new-mexico
    And they wonder why we still have a drunk driver problem.

    Not sure if it’s just one of those sayings in the US, but along those lines, I remember an American lawyer boasting that he was able to put 2 kids through university due to left turns 🙄
  • NMNeil's Avatar
    Not sure if it’s just one of those sayings in the US, but along those lines, I remember an American lawyer boasting that he was able to put 2 kids through university due to left turns 🙄
    It's true, but some attorneys are just so greedy they will corrupt the whole legal system especially when police officers are corrupt as well.
    https://www.kob.com/new-mexico/dwi-c...investigation/
  • Rolebama's Avatar
    I seem to remember a scheme where convicted drunk drivers could volunteer for visits to mortuaries, and have their mandatory 12-month ban reduced? I think it was sometime in the 80s. I feel it was scrapped because pressure groups decided it was 'cruel punishment'.
  • TC1474's Avatar
    I seem to remember a scheme where convicted drunk drivers could volunteer for visits to mortuaries, and have their mandatory 12-month ban reduced? I think it was sometime in the 80s. I feel it was scrapped because pressure groups decided it was 'cruel punishment'.

    I was serving in the 80's and that option was never available in my area. May have been an option in some but not all areas.

    The only way recently where someone could have their disqualification period reduced was to agree to attend an alcohol awareness/rehabilitation course and it reduced the penalty by a quarter, but I think even that has been dropped now.