RAC Puncture failure

  • Dave carter's Avatar
    Anyone thinking of joining the RAC should read the attached and look at alternative breakdown companies that care!

    Having been a member of the RAC for over 15 years, including adding family cars to cover, the first time we needed them they failed !!!!!
    My daughter was driving down a very dark country lane a few weeks ago (alone) and due to the leaves as well as the road conditions, she hit a small concealed drain cover kerbstone puncturing both front and back driver side tyres.

    The lane was unlit and she unfortunately was stranded on a sharp and particularly dangerous bend. she immediately called the RAC, thinking we have Recovery there would be no issue. THINK AGAIN.......the controller informed her that as both tyres had burst, they consider this a RTA (road traffic accident) and there would be a charge of £150 for them to attend. Being a young professional and not earning massive money, she freaked at the cost and told them she did not have that kind of spare money. she also told them that she had recovery cover and could not understand this charge. Their response that due to this being a RTA's this is not covered as stated in the T&C's.
    she called me in a state and I arranged a recovery at my own cost.

    I am appalled on 2 counts.
    1. The RAC left my daughter on an extremely dangerous road alone.
    2. I recently asked The RAC what would be the scenario if my wife's car Vauxhall Zaffia which now comes without any spare tyre and only provided with a foam repair kit ,which would be no good if you have a puncture at speed which had happened to me the week before and the tyre was shredded and was told that they would attend and recover or provide a roadside tyre repair company.

    Following this issue, I rang the RAC and raised a complaint with one of their very helpful controllers, who informed me that this situation would be investigated and reported back to me within 48 hours. I received a call from an extremely abrupt and unsympathetic manager whom pointed me to the T&Cs and would not offer any apology or some kind of compensation to cover the cost I had forked out for my daughters cost of recovery, as well as my daughter being a solo driver and aged 22. I also stated that should another car had come around the bend on this road, the potential consequence could have been unthinkably, again I got pointed to the T&C's and not once offered anyempathy or apology.

    Checking the T&C's, I see this buried on page 12! Like probably most people, who checks all the T&C's!

    Fortunately my daughter got off this dangerous road and tyres were fixed by a local garage.

    I WILL NOT BE RENEWING MY COVER AND MOVING TO A BREAKDOWN COMPANY WHOM CARE ABOUT THEIR CUSTOMER SERVICE AND ACTUALLY KEEP TO THEIR OBLIGATION IN RECOVERING.

    I have reported this to a local BBC Radio station who are keen to communicate RAC's failure and to make aware others whom are unaware of this issue. The fact cars are now more reliable you would think the RAC's life has become a little easier ....Yet the simple things they cannot get right.
  • 19 Replies

  • Motman's Avatar
    Well, unfortunate as it is, it WAS an accident and so I don't have think you'll find ANY 'breakdown' providers that will cover this as it quite simply was not a breakdown. Perhaps you should have got on to your daughters insurance company in this case? The AA have the same T&C's as I suspect do all the others.
  • smudger's Avatar
    Aye! Dave, this subject has been brought up on here before, quite a few times in fact. However that does lessen the situation that your daughter was left in...................Out if interest, does your new breakdown policy cover for such an event happening again?
  • Dave carter's Avatar
    Well, unfortunate as it is, it WAS an accident and so I don't have think you'll find ANY 'breakdown' providers that will cover this as it quite simply was not a breakdown. Perhaps you should have got on to your daughters insurance company in this case? The AA have the same T&C's as I suspect do all the others.

    WRONG.....!
    I CHECKED THE AA WHO SAID THAT IF THE MEMBER HAD BEEN WITH THEM MORE THAN 5 YEARS THEY WOULD DO THIS AS A GOODWILL JESTURE. I HAVE BEEN WITH YOU FOR 15 YEARS, PAYING INTO AN INSURANCE SHOULD I NEED ASSISTANCE. THE ONLY ONE TIME WE WANTED TO USE YOU YOU THROW THE T&C POLICY.
    THE RAC LEFT MY DAUGHTER IN A VERY DANGEROUS POSITION!
    ONCE AGAIN THE RAC SHOWS ITS "EMPATHY"!
    DID YOU GET THE SAME TRAINING AS YOUR HEAD OF PUBLIC RELATIONS......SHOCKING, NO APOLOGY,
    I AINT FINISHED!

    ALL NEW PROSPECTIVE CUSTOMERS - CHECK THE RAC COVER. ONLY TODAY I SEE YOU HAVE TO BE OVER 21 FOR THEM TO COVER ......THEREFORE, MY YOUNGEST (AGE 19) WHOM I BELIEVED TOBE COVERED UNDER OUR "FAMILY COVER" IS ALSO NOT COVERED.

    DOES THE RAC EVER ATTEND ANY BREAKDOWN WITHOUT WRIGGLING OUT USING YOUR T&C's CLAUSES.

    JOKERS

    IT WOULD BE CHEAPER SAVING MY MONEY AND PUTTING THE PREMIUM INTO AN ACCOUNT, USING THIS MONEY TO COVER ANY BREAKDOWN.......ESPECIALLY AS MOST MODERN CARS ARE LESS TEMPERAMENTAL THAN OLDER CARS.

    AWAIT YOUR NEXT REPLY MOTMAN
  • Motman's Avatar
    Firstly, NO NEED TO SHOUT! - I don't make the T&C's for these companies.
    Secondly, let's hope that if you do go with the AA, that none of you on your policy have the same problem until you have been with them for 5 years before the goodwill gestures kick in. Also, you'll be even more peed off if, after 5 years with them, they fail to honour such a statement. Do you actually have that statement from the AA in writing or was that just said to you by one of their telephone operatives hopeful of making a sale?
  • Dave carter's Avatar
    I'm angry......if, as mentioned, a car had come around the bend at speed the consequence could have been catastrophic.

    Also I'm going to alert as many people as possible to this clause and hopefully make them think. I asked your public relations lady- what would be the RAC's policy should I have hit an object in the road - ie a piece of timber which blew the front two tyres? After an awful lot of huffy and puffing she said they would despatch a patrol man to resolve as this is not conceded a RTA......so what's the difference in my daughter hitting a hidden drain cover?
    I have also gone to A BBC consumer programme who have also taken an interest with this story.....so could I ask the RAC for any empathy/ companion especially as you left my daughter in an extremely dangerous predicament.
    If your public relations lady had have apologised and made a gesture of goodwill towards the cost I have incurred, I would be renewing my cover for future years.......after the recent event and lack of customer service (other than the initial lady I spoke to on your call centre desk) I have received a load of arrogant and flimsy excuses all around your T&Cs.
    Whilst I appreciate every company has T&C's to work too, I would have expected there be situations where you could have offered some good will?

    Looking forward to your reply and will expect the BBC will be demanding the same.

    Dave Carter
  • Motman's Avatar
    I can understand you being upset but there's many statements in your original post that concern me so I'll just bite my tongue for once.

    Earlier though, you awaited my reply. I now wait for yours. Do you, or do you not have that goodwill statement from the AA in writing? That would possibly be of interest to the press/tv that you are now talking to. You do have it, don't you?
  • Dave carter's Avatar
    RAC offers an appalling service and should be avoided at all cost.

    Motman

    NO, I had a verbal agreement, similar to the one I had when I rang the RAC last year to check we had recovery breakdown cover and queried your companies position should any of our cars experienced a blowout (as I previously mentioned that had happened to me ) where the car tyre had perished, would I or my family ( a total of 4) be covered? guess what...the answer was yes!
    The AA have quoted this verbally and I have to trust them , like I trusted the RAC......and hope their service is better than the one you offer as well as this followup with yourself, as I find your tone and manner an absolute disgrace. I am the customer and would expect a company of your size acting in a professional manner, rather than you acting like an immature idiot.

    I was only asking for an apology, the cost to cover the tow truck and to make your customers aware of this situation my daughter experienced. YOUR RESPONSE CLEARLY DEMONSTRATES YOUR CHILDISH AND ARROGANT MANNER -SIMILAR TO YOUR CUSTOMER SERVICES DIRECTOR.

    So what's your final say then? Oh BTW this transcript has just been forwarded to the BBC consumer Programme and will be forwarding to your MD Debbie Hewitt to ensure shes made aware of your appalling customer care.
    Good Luck!
    Dave Carter
  • Dennis W's Avatar
    As far as I am aware "Motman" does NOT work for the RAC, as you seem to wrongly assume that he does.
  • Motman's Avatar
    For once, Dennis is spot on. I have absolutely no connection with the RAC or any other breakdown organisation. I was merely giving my opinion. I'd be a little concerned that the drain cover punctured the offside tyres - your daughter must have been on the wrong side of the road for that to happen and perhaps other motorists were lucky that they were not coming round that bend at the same time. I think you are expecting far too much and the only advice I can give you (although I don't expect for one minute that you will take it) is to thoroughly read any contract you sign because verbal contracts are only worth the paper they are written on. Good luck with the AA and I look forward to seeing you on the BBC.
  • Hometune's Avatar
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    Consider a claim from the highways authority where the drain cover is. If it is dangerous then it should be reported to them. You should be able to claim all your costs back. Take photos, measurements, dates, times, weather etc and send copies of all costs.
  • Dave carter's Avatar
    MOTMAN I offer you an apology as I thought you were the nasty RAC.😒 I did think it was odd someone from this organisation was online and would give a ****.
    Tyres effected was actually the passenger side. I would have expected the RAC (really actually ****) to either arranged a pickup or someone to fix at roadside.
    Thanks
    I think my main point is not to assume the RAC or any other motoring organisation to fix or recover your car.....and that has always been mind and many of my friends expectation.

    RAC IF YOU ARE VIEWING THIS I WOULD EXPECT A RESPONSE.

    Dave Carter ABbots Langley Herts
  • Motman's Avatar
    Apology accepted. I think Hometune, above, gives good advice. Good luck with your claim - but check that there is no extra damage to the wheel rims and suspension/steering arms etc.
  • RAC_Hannah's Avatar
    Hi Dave,

    I'm sorry to read you are so dissatisfied with the advice given. As we're a primarily a breakdown service, accident recovery isn't included as per our Terms and Conditions - your insurance would usually deal with incidents such as this. We may be able to assist however a fee would be applicable, we are always happy to attempt to claim this cost from your insurance company whenever possible.

    If you email your membership details to [email protected] I will pass your concerns over to the relevant team.

    Kind Regards,

    Hannah
  • smudger's Avatar
    Quote........." If it is dangerous then it should be reported to them. You should be able to claim all your costs back. Take photos, measurements, dates, times, weather etc and send copies of all costs.".................................................. ..................I went through all that stuff, when I broke a spring in my car, when I hit a speed bump that had a large chunk missing from it's front facing leading edge?......................I wrote letters, along with photos, and a written statement from the garage who fitted the new springs............................I sent Emails, made umpteen phone calls, and all for nothing!...........................I got a reply from the council saying they were "looking into it" ..............Followed a few weeks later, (after they had repaired the speed bump) saying "there was not enough evidence to prove that the broken facia of the bump, caused the damage to my car?................This was followed by the exact same wording, in a reply from the road a agency people? ( it looked like a photo copy of the councils letter, as it was word for word)
  • Hometune's Avatar
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    The difference is Smudger that I pursue them all the way to the courts.
  • smudger's Avatar
    Aye! but I'm on disability benefit, so can't afford to, anyway I've got enough legal problems these days as it is?
  • monkeymiles's Avatar
    My daughter hit a pot hole, single flat tyre, car has no spare only junk and inflator (no use due to hole in sidewall) and they offered to recover her for £250, left her stranded in the centre of Cambridge, I had to sort out getting her a new tyre etc. I complained and they rejected it saying it wasn't a breakdown, rang up and complained, chap said I should have been covered and reopened case, just got an email that they are still right and nothing going to happen. Will chase up again on Monday, they say on website they will attend for a flat tyre, how is pothole or nail any different. They even brag about all their patrols having a universal spare, which was all that was needed in this case, didn't even need to recover the vehicle. Absolutely useless when I needed them, feels like a total waste of money covering my family.
  • Santa's Avatar
    A few years back, my daughter, who was covered on our family membership ripped the sidewall of one tyre on a sharp kerb.

    She phoned me because she needed the membership details and I told her to say that she had a flat tyre - not telling them it was damaged because I knew what would happen. The patrol who came out was sympathetic and put her skinny spare on to get her home.
  • Drivingforfun's Avatar
    I find this odd as I had the opposite experience.

    I hit a pot hole in my car a few years ago, had no spare or even inflator or can of sludge etc. - my fault, should have checked - but was over 50 miles from home anyway so wouldn't have gotten me home. Anyway, RAC came out without any issues whatsoever, recovered the car all the way back 50+ miles to my local tyre fitter (not a local one to where I had the puncture) and provided me a taxi home.

    The car was Motability so I don't know if that makes a difference to the level of cover but I was very impressed.

    Not saying anyone is lying just that I find it odd, should I have been told to sort my problem out myself?